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Wow, it's been a long time between recaps. I'm sure there used to be more hours in the day than this!

This one has been almost but not quite done for ages now, and I've been feeling guilty about not finishing it. Life has been so hectic lately, and I was kinda disgruntled about 4.10, so decided to give myself a bit of a break and then return to it with hopefully a fresh perspective.

I have no idea if that worked or not, but nevertheless here it is: lots of pages in which I ramble on at length about the joys of pool hustling and brotherly first aid, the status of the angel-demon war, Ruby's masterful manipulations and why I really want her to be evil, Sam's inner conflict and compromise, the insight finally afforded by this episode's flashbacks, Sam's utter despair in the wake of Dean's death and Ruby's strategy for making the most of it, why Dean now feels that he owes Ruby some kind of debt of gratitude, and much more besides.

To read the recap, click the link below:


"Is it because you're really scared to go there with a demon? Because it's wrong and bad and we shouldn't?"


Screencaps found at Screencap Paradise, [livejournal.com profile] marishna and [livejournal.com profile] oxoniensis and then messed about with (for better or worse) by me.

Date: 2008-12-06 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Ha! Just when I was thinking about what to do next, your review pops up! *g* Despite the 'non-polishing' it was a great review, hon. Especially your exploration of Ruby's every step was excellent, a lot more comprehensive than my own. :)

Is Alastair really the confirmed spelling of the demon's name? I always thought it was Alistair as in Alistair Crowley for example. *is confused*

It also makes you wonder why this demon follows her orders, rather than leading the pack himself. The second part of this two-part episode will answer the latter question. It does? *strains brain* You mean where Alistair elaborates that he'd rather stay in hell than be upstairs? But if he had no interest in what Lilith was trying to achieve, why help her out with the whole Anna story? What's his angle in this?

This is the first time a trusted weapon guaranteed to kill all demons has failed to do so. Well, the Colt was useless against the YED in Salvation and Tammi in Malleus Maleficarum as well. Granted, the bullets never hit their target because of the demons powers, still, it shows that there is no such thing as an unfailable weapon. *g*

Yet Jake and Ava both described unlocking their abilities as being more like flipping a switch, and neither of them had a demon to help facilitate the process. Uhm, I always figured the YED sped up Jake's access to his powers. Andy was on his own and only very slowly expanded his original power. Ava had 5 months under heavy pressure and we only know that she went from visions to controlling demons, but Jake unlocked it within a day. I think that's the YED's doing.

Your analysis again reinforced just how intensely focused on Sam's story the episode was, despite it being the set-up for a larger two-part story. Which meant they had to shove it all into part two and Dean's story suffered for it. :(

Date: 2008-12-06 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Is Alastair really the confirmed spelling of the demon's name? I always thought it was Alistair as in Alistair Crowley for example. *is confused*
I'm also confused, because I know lots of ways to spell that name, so I went with the one on imdb purely because it seemed likely to be the one most accepted by fandom until such time as we get a proper 'official' spelling. If ever.

You mean where Alistair elaborates that he'd rather stay in hell than be upstairs? But if he had no interest in what Lilith was trying to achieve, why help her out with the whole Anna story? What's his angle in this?
What I understood from Ali/astair's little speech to Ruby in 4.10 is that he is on board with Lilith's plan and perfectly willing to help, but has no interest in being any kind of leader himself, since he is quite happy with his role in hell, thanks all the same. And that's why he cooperates with her - not because she pulls rank or because he's bucking for leadership himself, but because he is quite happy to accept and support her leadership.

I daresay if/when I recap 4.10 I might elaborate on that impression...or reverse it completely.

Well, the Colt was useless against the YED in Salvation and Tammi in Malleus Maleficarum as well. Granted, the bullets never hit their target because of the demons powers, still, it shows that there is no such thing as an unfailable weapon. *g*
*sticks tongue out* Yes, but this was the first time such a weapon has struck what should be a killing blow and made no impact. Missing the target doesn't count!

I always figured the YED sped up Jake's access to his powers. Andy was on his own and only very slowly expanded his original power. Ava had 5 months under heavy pressure and we only know that she went from visions to controlling demons, but Jake unlocked it within a day. I think that's the YED's doing.
Who knows? Clarification please, Show!

I'm not going to talk about how Dean's story was crammed in around the edges of this two-parter, because I'll get cross again. That can wait for 4.10 *G*

Date: 2008-12-06 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Missing the target doesn't count! Well, it's not exactly missing. The weapon was simply deflected so to speak, but I know what you mean. *sticks tongue out too*

Who knows? Clarification please, Show! What else could it be? Jake's powers were the only ones that progressed that way and he was the YEDs leader, so it stands to reason that he prepared his general. Plus, he was the only one who had yellow eyes himself when he exacted his powers after they were unlocked. So I think it's the obvious explanation. ;)

Heh, I understand that. Howver cross I am with 4.10, I am extremely grateful for this excellent Sam episode. ♥

Date: 2008-12-06 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grand-sophy.livejournal.com
Very enjoyable. I too devoutly (heh) hope that Ruby will turn out to have been secretly conniving all along for her own deep, dark, mysterious and hopefully evil agenda. And that Kripke et al are not sincerely telling us (4.10) that God really is a dick. I'm just not sure how much I trust them to have a subtle and consistent end game--but I'm hoping.

Date: 2008-12-06 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Ruby would become so boring if she is just doing the right thing out of the goodness of her heart. I mean, you could spend time looking at how difficult this makes her life, and how selfless and brave she must be, but...bleurgh! I would hate it so much. What makes her interesting to me is dissecting all the ways in which she manipulates any and every situation to her own ends!

I can't talk about 4.10, not here in the 4.09 recap! I feel so schizophrenic about the episode, but the balance tends to be negative. One day, when I manage to recap it, I might actually sort out how I feel about it!

Date: 2008-12-06 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] persuna.livejournal.com
I always really enjoy your recaps, and I don't say so often enough, so thanks!

I totally agree about the first aid scene. I have clicked away many a fanfic after too many pages of ridiculous injury denial or out of character whining. Sam and Dean are not going to stupidly endanger each other by not admitting or attending to injuries, but they're also going to avoid appearing weak with excess emotion because they are tough and manly men who like to talk without eye contact. This scene struck the perfect balance. It's a small thing, but I love it.

I am fascinated by the detailed examination you do of Ruby's manipulations, because I too am hoping they're manipulations and this season and this episode actually made me think it was more likely than ever. In season three it wouldn't have been that surprising if Ruby had betrayed Sam and Dean. The possibility was rammed down our throats by Dean every few seconds and Ruby was fun but unsympathetic. This season she's working so hard at seeming nice that she's got Dean acting civil. Betrayal is most dramatic when it's a surprise to the characters and the audience and so I'm hoping the new Ruby is the writers trying to lure everyone into a false sense of security. Sam and Dean have relaxed, and we will hopefully follow. Or maybe I'm just being contrary? 4.10, where Ruby's looks at Sam got disturbingly tender even when she was alone, started me wondering and doubting. But maybe that's what they want. I'm starting to get paranoid.

Well we'll see! Eventually. It's a long cold hiatus, as usual.

Date: 2008-12-07 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Hi *waves*

Betrayal is most dramatic when it's a surprise to the characters and the audience and so I'm hoping the new Ruby is the writers trying to lure everyone into a false sense of security. [...] I'm starting to get paranoid.
Me too! I'm pinning all my hopes on it all being a decoy and further manipulation. I would be so disappointed if she turned out to be good after all!

Date: 2008-12-06 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Yes indeedy, lovely recap as per usual.

Couple of points -- I totally agree that the key to Sam's mastery of his abilities is his willingness to succumb. Jumping forward to 4.10, I think it's clear that Ruby's pushing him to use/explore and he's still resisting big time. As Jake said, 'once you give into them there's all kinds of things you can do'. Sam hasn't given in. He's trying to keep his powers focused and limited to demon pulling. If/when he does flip that switch, then I think it'll be on for young and old. He is trying not to use them, but when it comes to self-defence he believes he's justified. And Uriel laying down the law just doesn't cut any ice. Because if it's a choice between Dean dying and him pulling a demon, forget it. And Uriel is being particularly obtuse about that.

I have no problem with Alastair being hugely powerful, yet not interested in Lilith's games, or Azazel's for that matter. Alastair enjoys his work tormenting souls. That's his bliss. The rest, to him, is so much froth. I love the fact he's so grudgy at Dean. The boy has a knack for pissing off the powerful! *g*

I love the setup with Dean and Anna. They connect, instantly, on a gut level. Just as Sam and Ruby connect, in some perverse way over the demon issue. I love the fact that Dean has moved past denying the existence of angels. He can't any more, so he doesn't try. Now it's a case of, well, yes, they're in my life, and they're a pain in my ass, oh lookie, someone else who's been screwed with my angels! Shiny! I love the fact that even though he knows he owes his life to Castiel, he still hates being jerked around. I love the way, despite everything, he looks to Castiel for help. There's relief in his voice when Castiel turns up at the end. And yes -- with Castiel, it's all about Dean. Every time they're in a room together they're having a separate conversation to the rest of the pack. Love that to bits.

Sam's maturity/independence is really shining this season. They really aren't the same people any more. And the shifts have been so subtle, it's great. Love the shift in tone of Sam's voice. He's got a strength, an authority in him, that wasn't there before. Even though he's struggling with the demon blood issue, it has at the same time given him strength. He's aware of his personal power, and he's using it. Never ever before would he have zinged Dean with that line about hell. Never. That was low, it was dirty, it was coming from a dark place of power. Loved it.'

I love love love the moment of recognition for Dean when he realises who that demon is. He's just sick. Almost paralyzed with dread, really. Because with Alastair there, he can't deny things any more. It's his worst nightmare made flesh. A walking talking neon sign, someone who knows what he did, who was there, who saw. It's the flip side of what we see in 4.10, with Anna's knowledge.

I think I've done my word limit ...

Date: 2008-12-07 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Uriel laying down the law just doesn't cut any ice. Because if it's a choice between Dean dying and him pulling a demon, forget it. And Uriel is being particularly obtuse about that.
Totally. It kind of takes us back to John's old 'need to know' attitude, which always rubbed Sam the wrong way, as well. Laying down the law to Sam never goes over well. If the angels would just explain why Sam using his powers is so dangerous, showed him enough respect to share that information, he might respond differently.

He's aware of his personal power, and he's using it. Never ever before would he have zinged Dean with that line about hell. Never. That was low, it was dirty, it was coming from a dark place of power.
Sam is definitely a new man this season. But it isn't all new. He has always had that edge to him, that capacity for striking low blows and causing pain - I can think of arguments in the past, going back to season one, where he has really hit below the belt just to score points off Dean. Sam fights dirty.

It's what you say in another comment about Sam's innate darkness, that he has always had that capacity for ruthlessness in him. It was there from the beginning, but his deteriorating circumstances have really honed that hard edge. There is so little left now of the mild-mannered Stanford student he once was. And now I'm remembering Dean poking at Sam in Wishful Thinking, trying to catch a glimpse of the little brother he once knew but just not finding him. Can't go back.

Date: 2008-12-07 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Yeah, Sam does fight dirty ... but for me, the Hell jab crossed a very important line. In the past, my feeling is that Sam fought dirty to get Dean to open up, admit something important, share. This time it was payback for shutting him out. It was nasty. And the only time (I think) we've ever seen Sam nasty before is BUABS. And we wasn't Sam, he was Meg.

Yeah, that moment in WT is very sad. They've crossed the Rubicon, both of them. They've both been forced to face the darkest corners of their souls. But whereas Dean is revolted and shamed, what's Sam? Not proud. Not accepting. But from the way they've framed him during his demon exorcisms, I get the feeling there's a part of him that is exhilarated by the power in him. That revels in what he can do. And while he dresses that up in pretty clothes, telling himself he's doing good, that he's really a white knight, the visual cues we're getting are very different, I think. So I suspect we are heading for a Sam/Dean showdown ... but how that plays out must be very closely linked to whether or not they get a season 5 pickup.

Curse the telling of stories in tvland!


Date: 2008-12-07 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Hmm, yeah. Sam's jab about hell was nasty - it was actually a bit of a jaw-dropping moment for me. Even though Sam has always been prone to fighting dirty, I still didn't expect him to go there like that.

Bet it was a verrrrrry uncomfortable journey for a while after that!

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Date: 2008-12-06 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
So to finish .. *g*

The patching up scene. I'm still trying to work my head around why that scene is so damned appealing. BTW, you're right. It's red wine. And that adds a nice touch -- red wine, used in the sacrament, representing the blood of Christ, washing the wounds of battle with evil ... nice. *g*

It's the complete lack of moosh and sentimenality that makes the scene work, I think. The sense that they've danced this dance more times than they can count. They both know they have high pain thresholds. They both know they're not dead, not in imminent danger of death, it's just another day at the office. Dean's bitching about how long Sam's taking is funny -- excuse me, can you hurry up with the embroidery? I hurt worse than you do, so there. The fact Dean knows Sam's about to hurt him big time, and Sam knows it, and knows Dean knows it, and he just does what has to be done without flinching, without fuss. And they cope. I love the fact that Sam doesn't look at Dean after popping the shoulder back, he just gets on with things. And Dean walks away, in pain, dealing with himself. Yet they're so connected.

You know what it is? It's the role reversal. This is the first time we have ever seen Sam taking care of Dean in such an overt way. This is the direct flipside to the making Sammy dinner scene in Something Wicked. Sam, all trusting, waits as Dean makes him dinner. And when he gets dinner, he doesn't want it. And Dean bitches and moans but he gives Sam what he wants. Gives up his wants for his little brother. Same in the Christmas ep. That's all Dean taking care of Sam, nurturing Sam. No expectations for himself. No thought for himself. His focus is on saving Sam's feelings, protecting Sam, giving Sam something.

And yet in this scene, Dean needs help. He's asking for help. In this scene, Sam's the big brother. He's doing the nurturing, the giving. And Dean is letting him. Have we ever seen him let Sam take care of him before? In this tone? I don't think we have -- before this season. It kind of harks back to 4.2, when Sam saves Dean from Victor, the tone of his Dean's voice when he's says No -- in answer to Are you all right? There's a softness there we're not used to seeing in Dean. No bravado. No coverups.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think this is a theme/thread in the whole season. Sam the big brother in Yellow Fever, taking care of a lost, bewildered Dean. Sam the big brother in Wishful Thinking, pushing Dean about the drinking and the nightmares. Dean's uncharacteristic -- vulnerability. The way he says 'Sam, please'. He's got nothing left. His big brother mojo is all used up. He can barely take care of himself, let alone Sam. Especially a Sam who is bigger and stronger and darker than ever before.

Hmmm. Seriously, this only just connected for me. But I do think that's the underpinning construct of this season so far. Sam's taken charge. Dean's lost. And I think the process has been accelerating slowly but surely from ep 1. The last time we saw Dean totally in control of the relationship was Metamorphosis, when he confronts Sam after seeing him with Ruby. SInce then, slowly but surely, his confidence is being eroded ... coinciding with remembering hell? And Sam's confidence/strength is growing. Is this a coincidence, given his powers are out in the open? He's not hiding that secret from Dean any more.

Thinky thinky thinky. What do you think?

Also? Yeah, Sam totally missed Alastair's crack to Dean. He had no idea who Alastair is, and Dean just flicked that one right on. Totally sidestepped the issue. Because no way no how does he want Sam knowing that. Sob ... sniff ... *g*


Date: 2008-12-07 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Hope you don't mind me jumping in! *g*

Sam the big brother in Yellow Fever, taking care of a lost, bewildered Dean. Sam the big brother in Wishful Thinking, pushing Dean about the drinking and the nightmares. Dean's uncharacteristic -- vulnerability. The way he says 'Sam, please'. He's got nothing left. His big brother mojo is all used up. He can barely take care of himself, let alone Sam. Especially a Sam who is bigger and stronger and darker than ever before.

Hm, that's an intriguing thought. I didn't really connect these points either before you pointed them out here. I mean, it's obvious how much Sam grew into a man of his own in these 4 months. He's more independent, takes charge more often, he just exudes power and strength, not only physically but emotionally. I had the feeling that Sam and Dean became truly equal this season, which allows Dean in return to show more vulnerability than he usually would or maybe we just interpret it that way because we are used to seeing Dean in charge at all times. Definitely something to mull over!

Have we ever seen him let Sam take care of him before?

Well, he did take care of Dean's gunshot wound in Jus In Bello. Of course his means were limited there, but Dean didn't make a fuzz about Sam taking care of him there either.

Date: 2008-12-07 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Not at all! The more the merrier. And I'm still supposed to be working. After this, I swear. I've just had food, so I'm good to go be creative ... I hope ...

The tone in JiB was different, I think. Sam was sorting Dean out as best he could, but Dean was still very much in charge there. I'm thinking we're looking very much at a pre/post Hell Dean divide. I think you're bang on regarding the equality issue. Sam's tone has definitely changed. Even allowing for the defensiveness over using his powers ... in his mind, a line was drawn. Dean was definitively dead. He was definitively alone, forever. That created a fundamental shift -- and he's not shifting back. He is altered. He's not the same man. And while he could conceivably return to the dynamic that was operating pre-Hell Dean, clearly he doesn't want to. He likes his independence. In the same way that he called his own shots when he was at college, he's calling his own shots now. There was a regression for him, almost, when he rejoined Dean on the road. Now he's come full circle, with extra crunchy bits.

Date: 2008-12-07 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Heh, I am supposed to be in bed. /sigh

He likes his independence.

Definitely! But I think he also likes the partnership with Dean and what we witness here is the shift to equality between them. Kripke always pointed out that John had to die in order for the boys to grow up and into men of their own and we see that especially for Dean in S2/3, while Sam still always had his co-parent figure with him and couldn't grow beyond that. Dean had to die for Sam to make that same step Dean did when he lost his own mentor.

Sam is more independent now, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't value or want Dean's input. He was defensive about his powers, but he still wants Dean's approval or at least support for his decision, we've seen that in 4.07. He does look for Dean's reaction when he is about to use his powers in 4.09 and he doesn't give into Ruby's manipulation to use them in 4.10 and I think that's at least partly thanks to Dean's influence over him.

So yeah, they are finding a new balance at the moment, which is as always intriguing to watch! :)

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Date: 2008-12-07 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
It's the complete lack of moosh and sentimenality that makes the scene work, I think.
Totally. The air of routine really sells it. No unnecessary fussing and no pointless stoicism. They are both injured and must deal with those injuries before they can proceed with the case, so they just get on with it, end of.

He's got nothing left. His big brother mojo is all used up. He can barely take care of himself, let alone Sam. Especially a Sam who is bigger and stronger and darker than ever before.
Hmm. I think you are right. It has been noticeable all season how much Sam is taking the lead these days, and how willing Dean is to let him do so and to just follow that lead without comment or question.

I think part of it is their different personalities. Since season one, I have never felt that Dean ever wanted to be in charge. Once he and Sam were alone, he took the lead automatically. Chain of command. He is the big brother, he has always been responsible for Sam, and he has years of hunting experience on his brother, so it's a no-brainer. He is good at the leadership role, as well. But I've never felt that he ever aspired to leadership. That inferiority complex of his feeds in here. He's a worrier. Command weighs heavily on him. It's why he defaults so readily to the leadership of others, Bobby especially since John's death.

Sam is completely different. Since day one his inclination is to buck the leadership of others, wanting the chance to prove himself. He likes to be in charge, likes being able to use his skills and intelligence to solve whatever puzzle is afoot, never anticipates failure. Does that make sense? It's early and I'm not overly well, so probably can't express myself that clearly! He's a natural leader in all the ways that Dean isn't which have nothing to do with ability and everything to do with personality.

So that brings us to the progression you've pointed to this season. Dean just can't exert any authority over Sam any more. He just doesn't have it in him any more, and Sam is too big and too strong and too independent to accept that authority readily anyway. It's like I said at the end of 4.07 - Sam is going to continue to follow his own road independent of Dean's counsel or orders, so instead of trying to control him Dean must instead decide whether or not he trusts him. He does trust him, and so is supporting him, letting him take the lead.

slowly but surely, his confidence is being eroded ... coinciding with remembering hell? And Sam's confidence/strength is growing. Is this a coincidence, given his powers are out in the open? He's not hiding that secret from Dean any more.
Yes. I really wish there had been more focus on Dean's returning memories and their impact, that it has been made a little more clear. Show isn't usually overly subtle, but this part of the story has felt rather pushed aside by the plot focus. But there are still many episodes to go!

Date: 2008-12-07 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Good morning! *g*

Just got back from running errands, eating quickly, ready to get back to work. So very quickly ...

You make me think of that exchange in Time of Dying -- I'm not going to let you ... You're not going to let me? How are you going to stop me? And it's not just the words, it's the almost amused way Sam says them. Like, dude, have you looked at me lately????

And that's where they are in a nutshell.

Added to that is the Ruby factor. For the first time ever, while Dean is in the picture, Sam has alternate voice in his ear. The dynamics are forever different.

Also? Re the leadership question? Dean has been in charge and responsible for someone else's life since he was 4 years old. By Something Wicked, when he's what, 10? he's on shoot to kill orders to protect his little brother. I don't think there are words for the depth of his exhaustion. Pile on top of that what he's been through since he and Sam hooked up again ... and he's done. And yeah ... being able to take charge and wanting to take charge are two very, very different beasts. Dean likes teamwork. He doesn't like solo.

As for the trust issue? Honestly, I don't know how much trust there is. I think he wants to trust Sam. I think he's terrified his sacrifice was in vain. I think he wants to believe they can trust Ruby. I think he feels quite hollow, fearing that at the end of the day he won't be able to influence Sam to renounce his powers.

And yeah ... Sam is totally officer material. You are making complete sense. He's a force of nature, actually. I think it's an interesting coincide with his increased physicality this year.

Hope you're feeling better soon!

Dunno if that's making sense. Sam is just different enough to be spinning him out, I think. And I'm not certain they've ever dealt with the amount of lying that went on at first.

Date: 2008-12-07 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Not Time of Dying. 3.21. Time on my Side??? Brain dead, that's me.

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Date: 2008-12-06 11:23 pm (UTC)
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Oh yeah. The hot demon sex. *g*

You are so bad. I'm supposed to be working! And I will get working, after this.

I love the assumptions that are being messed with here. There seems to be a default setting that the 'little brother' is the vulnerable one. That's certainly the default that Dean operates on. Sam's younger, he needs protecting. He's the little one. He needs a big brother to stand between him and the world. Well, actually, not so much. Sam is huge. In stature, in power, in presence. He has become a formidable man. And there's a darkness in him that's absent from Dean. Now, is that a darkness because of the demon blood? Or is it that inherent darkness that made the demon choose him in the first place? Because the YED could have chosen Dean, but didn't. He chose Sam. They may be brothers, they may have sprung from identical genetic material ... but they aren't the same.

Sam is a million times a bigger mofo than Dean -- and he always was. John knew that, I think. Sam is colder and harder than Dean ever was -- or at least was always capable of being that. And I think we're seeing that now, in ways we never have before. I think Sam has always known that about himself, and has always been afraid of it. Even before he knew about the demon blood, I think he's always known he's at heart way more ruthless than his brother. Not that he's not a loving man, he is. But his core is diamond.

And yeah. I so want Ruby to be playing them big time, too.




Date: 2008-12-07 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Because the YED could have chosen Dean, but didn't.

Well, if the deal Mary made with the YED was binding for the demon, then he couldn't have chosen Dean because he was born 6 years after Mary made that deal, but the contract only allowed the YED to pass her threshold after 10 years.

Date: 2008-12-07 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know. I did think of that. But yanno, there's got to a retcon round it ... *g*

Long live fanwank, I say!

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Date: 2008-12-07 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
You did get some work done yesterday, right? *G* The 'net is so bad for distraction!

Sam definitely has a much harder, colder core than his brother. They are such completely different personalities. Everything Sam has been through has served to make him harder and harder, where everything Dean has been through has had a very different effect.

There is a better way of describing all that, but damn, my brain is porridge this morning.

Ruby had better be playing them.

Date: 2008-12-07 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenmiller.livejournal.com
Half way through the next chapter. Must go finish it in a minute. I often work through till very late at night. I like the witching hour for working.

So yeah, Sam's been tempered like steel. Processed into diamond. Whereas Dean ... I'm not sure what the analogy is for Dean. Flattened is the first word that springs to mind. *g* Pulverised. Broken down ... so he can be rebuilt? As what? Heaven's hammer, instead of John's?

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Date: 2008-12-14 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
That was an great recap, and fascinating to see someone else's blow by blow thoughts on the significance of the various actions and reactions. I mustn't let it tempt me into writing more codas though! *g*

Date: 2008-12-14 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Eh, scratch that itch and keep coda-ing (is that a word? It is now!).

There are so many possible interpretations for the way things are panning out right now, it's exhausting to consider them all! Only when the season ends and we can look back with hindsight will it all become clear, I suspect.

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