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Full recap came to 25 pages this time around. Madness.



To read the recap, click the link:
"It's my lucky day!"

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Date: 2007-10-24 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Yay! Essay! ;) It's always fun to read a full on review just in the middle of the week, when the first exhilaration is already settled and you can look at it more calmly! :D Still love the episode to bits and pieces!

I read another review the other day, where the writer pointed out something that I didn't notice: When Sam calls Bobby for the first time, you see him working on what suspiciously looks like The Colt, all disassembled. Dunno if this is just a fluke from the props department or if they want to hint at Bobby trying to figure out how it worked.

Oh, and apparently Lauren Cohan lived in the UK for a long time, so her accent seems to be rather genuinely learned than just faked for the show.

Is it friday yet? /sigh

Date: 2007-10-24 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
When Sam calls Bobby for the first time, you see him working on what suspiciously looks like The Colt, all disassembled. Dunno if this is just a fluke from the props department or if they want to hint at Bobby trying to figure out how it worked.
Ooh, interesting. Potentially, anyway. Now I want to watch the ep again, only I can't 'cause I'm stuck in work!

apparently Lauren Cohan lived in the UK for a long time, so her accent seems to be rather genuinely learned than just faked for the show.
She does a decent job, although I'm not sure where she stayed if the accent she picked up was that posh!

Is it friday yet? /sigh
I wish!

Date: 2007-10-24 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlepunkryo.livejournal.com
Yay it's done, it's done!!! *off to read now*

Date: 2007-10-24 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlepunkryo.livejournal.com
I hate Gordon. I always did - I dunno why, he's just always rubbed me the wrong way.

I ♥♥♥ this epsiode, because it was so funny. I didn't like "Tall Tales" so it was nice to get a genuinely funny (for me) episode. Poor, poor Sammy - there's icons with "I lost my shoe" all over the place. Jared Padalecki really knows how to use his body for comedy, esp. that "shoe" scene - getting a 6-foot-plus guy to look 5 can't be easy.

I ♥ Dean in this ep too, because he was strugging to keep his badass image at the same time he was taking care of Sam, who was completely ruining his cool. That's what I love about Dean.

Date: 2007-10-24 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
I hate Gordon. I always did - I dunno why, he's just always rubbed me the wrong way.
Oh, but his awfulness makes for good drama. He's so psychotic, and believes so completely in the righteousness of his cause - there's no reasoning with him. He adds depth and interest to the 'verse, if not likeability. *G*

I ♥♥♥ this epsiode, because it was so funny. I didn't like "Tall Tales" so it was nice to get a genuinely funny (for me) episode. Poor, poor Sammy - there's icons with "I lost my shoe" all over the place. Jared Padalecki really knows how to use his body for comedy, esp. that "shoe" scene - getting a 6-foot-plus guy to look 5 can't be easy.
I'm very impressed by Jared and the slapstick. The humour in this episode works so much better than Tall Tales, I think mostly because it derives naturally from the story as it progresses and is so tongue-in-cheek, with our boys at ease with one another. Tall Tales is one of my least favourite eps, if not the least favourite eps. I'm not fond of toilet humour anyway, and there's something malicious about it in that episode, with our boys completely at odds with one another.

I ♥ Dean in this ep too, because he was strugging to keep his badass image at the same time he was taking care of Sam, who was completely ruining his cool. That's what I love about Dean.
*adores Dean*

I can't help but picture Sam coming out of this incident thinking more than ever 'what the hell am I going to do without him?' He's been trying so hard to be self-sufficient lately, but he relies on his brother in ways he doesn't even notice, and slid right back into dependence mode in this episode.

*loves both boys*

Date: 2007-10-24 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlepunkryo.livejournal.com
I honestly didn't think "Tall Tales" was funny - there were some parts where I smiled but I was very uncomfortable with the ep as a whole.

I liked this ep because I think maybe it made Sam remember how Dean was with him when he was a kid - and seeing how Dean was with him despite his dorkiness through an adult's eyes, I'll bet Sam felt really loved.

It figures that Gordon teamed up with another fanatic doesn't it?

Date: 2007-10-24 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
I don't think Tall Tales is funny either. It does have some nice domestic scenes, but the bits that are supposed to be really just aren't. It's forced humour that comes at the expense of the characters as we have grown to love them, and is derived from a place of them being at odds with one another. Not funny.

This one, though, this one is genuinely funny. Dean is wonderful. Sam is adorable. They are both woefully co-dependent. 'Nuff said. Although, obviously, I have already found way more to say about it than that!

Gordon really needs to take note that the one hunter he's managed to convert 100% to his cause makes even him feel uncomfortable. I can't help feeling, though, that a lot of other hunters will sympathise with their cause based on that 'no smoke without fire' thing. Really, really looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season pans out. I've missed having new eps to be excited about so much over the summer!

Yay, recap! (pt. 1)

Date: 2007-10-24 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwendolyngrace.livejournal.com
I was also going to point out the Colt; yes, Bobby's working on it when Sam calls him.

Timeline question: By my calculations that puts us around about the end of May.

Really? Do you have your timeline up somewhere? Do we really have any idea when AHBL took place? I was thinking it was about June/July, and that TKAA was in July or early August. If it's significantly earlier than that it'll joss something I'm working on....

I'll have to watch the episode again, because there are some lines that I think are transcribed incorrectly, but can't be sure without it to listen to again ("Whoever broke in here got tacked," Sam observes. I think it's "tagged," for example). But isn't the other hunter's name Creedy, not Creely? (This is a reference to the character McCreedy in the movie "Bad Day at Black Rock.")

Sam at that age was looking outward at the world, wanting to be a part of it, and willing to defy John to achieve it. Dean, on the other hand – around about the immediate post-Striga period as this would have been, since he was 10/11 in the Something Wicked flashbacks – was looking inward, within the family, focused completely on being who his father wanted him to be, and drawing all his pride and satisfaction, and the parental approval he craved, from that. Still does even now. Playing soccer and winning a trophy may have been the closest Sam ever got to being a real boy – but Dean, it has always been clear, never even got that close, nor ever entertained the possibility of it. Their childhood experiences were so very different, just four years apart.

Yup. Exactly. Great point about how soon after the Fort Douglass incident that would have been and how Dean clearly put his head down and got serious about John's lessons in its wake.

In another life, Dean would have made an awesome cop.

I've thought this before, too. :Fights the plot bunny!

Sam sees the rabbit's foot lying nearby and reaches out for it, although what good he expects it to do is beyond me, since he doesn't know what it is or does.

Well, it was their mission to get the foot. He's showing fortitude and opportunism to grab the foot first, then worry about getting out of the choke-hold. After all, he's used to that.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Wayne is aiming at Sam's neck, rather than head, I feel I should point out, because, of course, Sam is a giant.

I was going to say "You try lifting you arm when it's wounded" but I think it was his left shoulder and he's holding the gun in his right hand. Um... Planning for the recoil? Yeah, that's it.

Hearing the thud, Dean skids to a halt, gets a pricelessly resigned I don't believe it, dare I even look expression on his face, and turns to see Sam gingerly prising himself up from the asphalt. "Wow. You suck," he announces, moving to pick his brother back up.

ABSOLUTELY. I am so in complete love with the way Dean relates to Sam from this point on. The way he runs a few more paces before realizing, "Sam's not with me" - and the way he reacts to the pratfall in the apartment, as you said, not twitching, nothing but eyes? PRICE. LESS.

I Want So Much More Dean-at-11/12/10 and Sam-at-7/8/6 Fic Now.

Too much for one post... TBC

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 1)

Date: 2007-10-24 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Really? Do you have your timeline up somewhere? Do we really have any idea when AHBL took place? I was thinking it was about June/July, and that TKAA was in July or early August. If it's significantly earlier than that it'll joss something I'm working on....
My timeline for season one and two is on the website here:
http://randomness.liquid-deception.net/sn-timeline.php
I make AHBL sometime in April at the latest - Sam refers to himself as 23, and he'd turn 24 at the beginning of May. The last ep to have a definitive date attached, though, is Roadkill.

I'll have to watch the episode again, because there are some lines that I think are transcribed incorrectly, but can't be sure without it to listen to again
*sigh* I know I get some lines wrong - I try to listen carefully, but the accents, slurring of words, and the speakers on my PC sometimes gang up to defeat me. *sighs again* So sometimes it's just my best guess!

The way Dean reacts to Pratfall!Sam is beyond wonderful. Exasperated yet tolerant yet teasing.

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 1)

Date: 2007-10-24 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwendolyngrace.livejournal.com
So sometimes it's just my best guess!

No worries! Multiple sets of ears/eyes are good for this kind of thing. It's all in the way of being helpful. So if it's not helpful, please do tell me to nose out.

Hm. Timeline makes sense, though I really did think it was past May already (maybe I'm just conflating something about Dean's age vs. Sam's and assuming we were past both birthdays). Phooey, that does rather joss some of the tangential stuff I was planning to put into my fic-in-progress....

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 1)

Date: 2007-10-24 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
No, no, you keep feeding back! It's great. No matter how hard you try, it's never really possible to spot all the mistakes in your own work. Between us all, we'll pick up everything!

Sorry 'bout my interpretation of the timeline messing up your fic! I tried really hard last season to pin down every reference to the date that I could, and even though some were more likely production errors than deliberate, they do all hang together to form a coherent timeline. Roadkill is the last definitive one, though, like I said. All we've got to go on for AHBL is Sam's reference to himself as 23. He'd be 24 on May 2nd, so the latest it could be is late April. Although his age reference could have been a continuity error. But taking it as it stands, then, if The Magnificent was one week later, and this episode three weeks later again, it should be around about the end of May. Maybe early June.

That's my thought process, anyway. I'm still waiting on a proper on-screen date! Was so hopeful when I saw the newspaper last week, but it didn't give a date. Meh.

Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-24 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwendolyngrace.livejournal.com
...And a Sam icon to balance things out.

Since Bobby has turned this up so quickly, I can't help but wonder why John didn't look for a way to destroy the rabbit's foot in the first place, rather than locking it up like that. Maybe the simple fact of Sam's life being in danger provided added motivation in the research stakes, whereas back then with perhaps no lives in danger that they cared about, it seemed simpler to just lock it up and have done with it.

I'm going with, this was pre-Internet and electronically searchable databases, libraries, and so on. It's very possible that at the time John encountered the foot, there simply wasn't any way to parse the information, certainly not in as digestible a format as Bobby might have at his disposal now.

"We didn't even have to touch you. You just went all spastic and knocked yourself out," Creely gloats. "It was like watching Jerry Lewis ride a stack of chairs."

This is one of those transcriptions... I'm fairly certain he says, "It was like watching Jerry Lewis trying to stack chairs," but again, wouldn't swear to it without re-watching.

And that is the only continuity blip I choose to refer to in this episode, because I enjoy it too much to nitpick.

I understand and agree - the episode is definitely one of the top 5 ever, possibly even top 3 - but I *have* to point out (besides the physical impossibility of Buffalo and Queens being anywhere near 2 hours apart) the fairly major continuity bobble that Sam is wearing both shoes when Dean walks him into the motel room. (And later he's wearing only one shoe, but it's the shoe he supposedly lost, and his stocking foot is the one that supposedly still had a shoe back at the drain.) But I *forgive* this error only because the rest of the episode is just so delicious.

"Hey, back off, jinx. I'm bringing home the bacon."

Hee. Sam's bad luck makes fantastic fuel for brotherly tormenting. Also, it could be argued that there's a strong streak of practicality in there, too, wound in around the gleeful opportunism. Dean always has been the breadwinner of this partnership; wanting to make some easy money to support the two of them while the opportunity presents itself is very in character.


Agreed, agreed. I love the way Jensen delivers the line, too, without any hesitation whatsoever, calling him a jinx. You could substitute just about any pejorative there and it would be any other brotherly conversation, but somehow calling him a "jinx" at once embraces his brother's misfortune and gives us one final moment of seeing them as kids...because "jinx" is just so juvenile a thing to call him. Hee!

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-24 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
I'm going with, this was pre-Internet and electronically searchable databases, libraries, and so on. It's very possible that at the time John encountered the foot, there simply wasn't any way to parse the information, certainly not in as digestible a format as Bobby might have at his disposal now.
Bobby doesn't strike me as much of a techno-whizz - he seems more of a book man. But it's as good an excuse as any!

This is one of those transcriptions... I'm fairly certain he says, "It was like watching Jerry Lewis trying to stack chairs," but again, wouldn't swear to it without re-watching.
Yep, that was one of those where I listened a few times, couldn't make up my mind what he was saying exactly, considered leaving it out, then ended up going with my best guess and hoping for the best!

but I *have* to point out (besides the physical impossibility of Buffalo and Queens being anywhere near 2 hours apart) the fairly major continuity bobble that Sam is wearing both shoes when Dean walks him into the motel room. (And later he's wearing only one shoe, but it's the shoe he supposedly lost, and his stocking foot is the one that supposedly still had a shoe back at the drain.) But I *forgive* this error only because the rest of the episode is just so delicious.
Again, geographical impossibilities zip right over my head! So the show can get away with just about anything on that front with me. I have to admit that I don't actually notice Sam's feet in the motel scene, I'm too busy looking at the pretty faces, and the way Dean's dragging Sam along by the sleeve, Sam wearing his sulking-five-year-old expression again. Even after you pointed it out last time, when I watched the ep again I got past that scene and realised I'd forgotten to look at the feet again!

Agreed, agreed. I love the way Jensen delivers the line, too, without any hesitation whatsoever, calling him a jinx. You could substitute just about any pejorative there and it would be any other brotherly conversation, but somehow calling him a "jinx" at once embraces his brother's misfortune and gives us one final moment of seeing them as kids...because "jinx" is just so juvenile a thing to call him. Hee!
J'adore! It's a gorgeous episode.

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-24 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwendolyngrace.livejournal.com
Bobby doesn't strike me as much of a techno-whizz - he seems more of a book man.

Oh, come on! I'm sure he's not an early adopter, but he's probably got at least a 386 somewhere in the house. /sarcasm Actually, the bigger obstacle is probably whether he gets cable internet connectivity at the junkyard, or whether he has to do it on dial-up.

Jared does five so well!

Mais certainement! Les freres Winchesters sont magnifique. "Je suis incroyable! Je suis Bat-man!"

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-24 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Your French has defeated me. Maybe I should switch to Welsh and bamboozle everyone...teehee.

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-11-03 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwendolyngrace.livejournal.com
Je traduis: But certainly! The brothers Winchester are magnificent! "I'm incredible! I'm Batman!"

Unfortunately, it's been a long, long time since high school French.

I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN WELSH! My SCA persona is Welsh - I have about 12 drops of Welsh blood (similar to Sam having several drops of Demon blood - the gift that keeps on giving). I know folks who've learned from language tapes.

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-11-03 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Hee. Yeah, I actually understood what you said, just wasn't up to continuing with the French beyond that!

My Welsh isn't completely fluent, but I can get by. Would be more fluent if I used it more, languages being what they are. I don't think it's that hard to learn, once you get your head around the fact that the grammar is about as far from English grammar as you can get. The phonetics are easy compared to English! Then again, just about anything is easy compared to English, when you think about it. All those words that sound the same but are spelled different, or spelled the same but pronounced different...

Mae'r Cymraeg yn hawdd, yn gymhariaeth! Welsh is easy, in comparison.

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-25 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ehlwyen.livejournal.com
"We didn't even have to touch you. You just went all spastic and knocked yourself out," Creely gloats. "It was like watching Jerry Lewis ride a stack of chairs."

I just wanted to pop in and say that's what they said.

I tend to run from Jerry Lewis but I assume they're refering to when you put a bunch of semi-stackable chairs into a stack and then sit on them. It's really hard to find a center of balance so you'll be calm and then all of sudden lose balance and your body goes spastic trying to find another center of balance. Repeat! *heart* (oh no, i've never tried it...*blush*) XD


And yeah the Buffalo to NYC thing bothered me, but apparently at some point they were in Black Rock, New York which looks to be about 3-4 hours from NYC. So it's really not that much of an insynchronicitity.


*hugs* So glad to see your reviews!!!

Re: Yay, recap! (pt. 2)

Date: 2007-10-25 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Culture gap! Culture gap! If they didn't keep referring to things/shows/whatever I've never heard of, I'd have no trouble understanding *G*

I think most of the episode was in Black Rock - the lousy thieves and the motel, the diner. All Black Rock. American geography goes right over my head, and in terms of TV watching sometimes that's best!

*hugs Lyn back* You probably disagree with half of what I say, but that's half the fun, no?

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