I did make it all the way through and here are my thoughts 1) On the not ever using the Winchester name especially John's voicemail message in season one, for example. Curious.
This actually makes sense. John and the boys have always used fake ID's and John has been portrayed as a bit paranoid, so I can see John telling people if you need me again call John at this number. So his actual VM message would be this is John, if you can't reach me call my son Dean.
2)And apparently he's writing the Gospel of Us."
I love the fact that Dean still includes that Sam is part of the Gospel even though he fears that Sam will become something evil and there for not part of a Gospel, merely a player in the Gospel of DEAN Winchester.
3) "Prayer is a sign of faith," Castiel's even voice intones from somewhere behind Dean, with a tiny thump-flutter of wings as he lands. "This is a good thing, Dean."
You are absolutely right praying to Angels he knows exist and whose power he has seen is no more faith than begging a parent you know has money for a loan. Sam OTOH DID have faith, praying to God and believing in Angels with no proof whatsoever, yet the Angels have pretty much distrusted him from the get go.
4)And my fourth thought is that if archangels are heaven's most terrifying weapon, why the heck have they not been deployed in this war against Lilith? Why has clueless Castiel been sent to flail around in ignorance, when a few strategically placed archangels could wipe Lilith out in one fell swoop? Or is this something else that is all about what is prophesied, since prophecies can't be interfered with?
My own personal view is that I'm not all that convinced that the Angels want to STOP the Apocalypse. They say they do, but certainly Revelation says that in the end they win. I am actually hoping that the Angels are manipulating Dean as much as Ruby is manipulating Sam and that Dean is mirroring Sam in as much as he has put his skepticism about them away and is beginning to believe in them against his original instincts. Castiel himself may be being manipulated from above, but I don't trust the Angels totally. Admittedly, because it would redeem some of Sam's actions if Dean was also being played.
5)Right. And she knows this how, exactly? As far as I recall, demons can't usually see the future…although, having said that, Sam's visions came from the demon blood, so who knows? But even if she has got her hooks into a psychic of some kind, they don't usually see that far into the future. It is curious, not least because if Lilith is telling the truth and really has foreseen her own doom, she clearly believes that she will be able to change that fate, much as Sam managed to change the outcome of events from several of his visions – the difference between a psychic and a prophet, I suppose.
Perhaps the demons have their own "Bible" with its own prophecies, after all both Casey in Sin City and the CRD in What You Did Last Summer both indicated that Lucifer is their version of God. Alistair himself called not talking under torture "a religious thing" Maybe somewhere a demon is writing the Book of Alistair, or the Book of Azazel. Some demons were fallen angels, so they may well have the same powers to cause prophecy.
6)"I've got to warn Sam and Dean," he declares
I love that Chuck cares about BOTH Sam and Dean. There is a growing faction in fandom that is committed to arguing that the only way Dean can be good is if Sam is and always has been evil at his very core. That coupled with the growing distance between Sam and Dean have made the SamNDean relationship seem expendable in favor of a DeanNCastiel relationship. Chuck wants to protect both boys, which gives me hope that the show will eventually repair their relationship.
Finally I had some trouble with the slap as slash fans. I didn't mind the mention of them, but to so totally indicate that their world view is icky and wrong bothered me, as a slash fan,. I wish the conversation would have gone Dean "Don't they know we're brothers?" Sam "They don't seem to care" Dean "Why does everybody keep thinking we're gay, even in books? Sam shrugs.
My virtual cookie of choice is peanut butter and I love gold stars.
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1) On the not ever using the Winchester name especially John's voicemail message in season one, for example. Curious.
This actually makes sense. John and the boys have always used fake ID's and John has been portrayed as a bit paranoid, so I can see John telling people if you need me again call John at this number. So his actual VM message would be this is John, if you can't reach me call my son Dean.
2)And apparently he's writing the Gospel of Us."
I love the fact that Dean still includes that Sam is part of the Gospel even though he fears that Sam will become something evil and there for not part of a Gospel, merely a player in the Gospel of DEAN Winchester.
3) "Prayer is a sign of faith," Castiel's even voice intones from somewhere behind Dean, with a tiny thump-flutter of wings as he lands. "This is a good thing, Dean."
You are absolutely right praying to Angels he knows exist and whose power he has seen is no more faith than begging a parent you know has money for a loan. Sam OTOH DID have faith, praying to God and believing in Angels with no proof whatsoever, yet the Angels have pretty much distrusted him from the get go.
4)And my fourth thought is that if archangels are heaven's most terrifying weapon, why the heck have they not been deployed in this war against Lilith? Why has clueless Castiel been sent to flail around in ignorance, when a few strategically placed archangels could wipe Lilith out in one fell swoop? Or is this something else that is all about what is prophesied, since prophecies can't be interfered with?
My own personal view is that I'm not all that convinced that the Angels want to STOP the Apocalypse. They say they do, but certainly Revelation says that in the end they win. I am actually hoping that the Angels are manipulating Dean as much as Ruby is manipulating Sam and that Dean is mirroring Sam in as much as he has put his skepticism about them away and is beginning to believe in them against his original instincts. Castiel himself may be being manipulated from above, but I don't trust the Angels totally. Admittedly, because it would redeem some of Sam's actions if Dean was also being played.
5)Right. And she knows this how, exactly? As far as I recall, demons can't usually see the future…although, having said that, Sam's visions came from the demon blood, so who knows? But even if she has got her hooks into a psychic of some kind, they don't usually see that far into the future. It is curious, not least because if Lilith is telling the truth and really has foreseen her own doom, she clearly believes that she will be able to change that fate, much as Sam managed to change the outcome of events from several of his visions – the difference between a psychic and a prophet, I suppose.
Perhaps the demons have their own "Bible" with its own prophecies, after all both Casey in Sin City and the CRD in What You Did Last Summer both indicated that Lucifer is their version of God. Alistair himself called not talking under torture "a religious thing" Maybe somewhere a demon is writing the Book of Alistair, or the Book of Azazel. Some demons were fallen angels, so they may well have the same powers to cause prophecy.
6)"I've got to warn Sam and Dean," he declares
I love that Chuck cares about BOTH Sam and Dean. There is a growing faction in fandom that is committed to arguing that the only way Dean can be good is if Sam is and always has been evil at his very core. That coupled with the growing distance between Sam and Dean have made the SamNDean relationship seem expendable in favor of a DeanNCastiel relationship. Chuck wants to protect both boys, which gives me hope that the show will eventually repair their relationship.
Finally I had some trouble with the slap as slash fans. I didn't mind the mention of them, but to so totally indicate that their world view is icky and wrong bothered me, as a slash fan,. I wish the conversation would have gone
Dean "Don't they know we're brothers?"
Sam "They don't seem to care"
Dean "Why does everybody keep thinking we're gay, even in books?
Sam shrugs.
My virtual cookie of choice is peanut butter and I love gold stars.